support. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. He pitched very good ball for you. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. You can't be serious. Some archaeologists believe there are ancient Hopewell Indian Burial Mounds near Bald Mountain. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. 6'1", 170???? Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. He later came back to play for the Padres. Shickhaus Franks He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Given his sugary surroundings for the past 12 years, that's quite a feat. Raymond Malcuit Jay I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Doug S. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. GoMets2006 December 13, 2007 And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. December 13, 2007 NO WAY he was 170 pounds. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. He had terrific stuff. He pitched very good ball for you. March 5, 2006 Doug S. May 7, 2013 Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. He has been married to Joyce Fleenor since 21 November 1964. This was one of their cottages located on 24 Highland in Lake Orion. How good were they? Shari Lolich was a fine pitcher. Mike B It turns out that Jerry Quarry is a better poet than Muhammad Ali and a better singer than Joe Frazier. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. He started 45 games and completed 29. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Mickey liked his doughnuts. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Raymond Malcuit April 23, 2003 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. December 8, 2006 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. November 10, 2002 Mickey loved his Harley. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Randy Tate Jamey Bumbalo He later resurfaced with the Padres. bob saunders Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. He had terrific stuff. October 4, 2006 I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. He started 45 games and completed 29. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. July 15, 2016 He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. No contest. He had terrific stuff. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. That would make him a star in today's market. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. September 25, 2013 He went undrafted in the 2013 NFL Draft but was picked up as a free agent by the Cowboys. Mr. Sparkle Joe Figliola A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. bob saunders But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Stu Baron Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. December 13, 2007 eddiek Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Baseball burnt him out. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Shari As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. June 30, 2019 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. The Detroit Tigers traded pitcher Mickey Lolich (right) for outfielder Rusty Staub at baseball's winter meetings in 1975 in a deal that was originally vetoed by Lolich. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Lolich originally vetoed trade to Mets for Staub. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. September 25, 2013 Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. pete Dianna Jeanneh Jones The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Gary from Chesapeake =Chuck= A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Jamey Bumbalo An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. He goes up one notch for being a character! I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. This has never happened before? Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. They cut blocks of ice from the lake, hauling the cakes to storage houses where they were stored in sawdust until summer, & selling the blocks for people to use in their iceboxes. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Mickey Lolich has been a part of the Baseball Player list. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Use tab to navigate through the menu items. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. He started 45 games and completed 29. We are going all the way!" He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Raymond Malcuit Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Kooz Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. Mike B May 6, 2003 The point is he made a bad team worse. Alter he gained 95 yards and scored a touchdown to lead the Cowboys to a 24-3 win over Miami, CBS-TV's Tom Brookshier nervously asked him if he was as fast as he had looked during the game. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. By limiting the hired help to a waitress at the counter, one at the 24- hour drive-through window and a baker for the overnight shift, Lolich said he will be in a position to retire in six years, at 50. of money. When he retired, he had the most strikeouts of any left-hander in any league. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. 308 strikeouts. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Dianna Jeanneh Jones In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Really? mets His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. December 20, 2019 Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. August 7, 2018 Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Story was Coolidge (Republican) did something that irritated the mostly Democratic community in Orion. Jamey Bumbalo How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. feat fan Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. May 8, 2003 This California farm kingdom holds a key, Six people, including mother and baby, killed in Tulare County; drug cartel suspected, These are the 101 best restaurants in Los Angeles, New Bay Area maps show hidden flood risk from sea level rise and groundwater. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Larry Burns The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. 6'1", 170???? mets According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows: I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. I'm still not clear - he traded Mickey Lolich to improve team speed? Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. April 23, 2003 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Joe Figliola Shari Embed Save PURCHASE A LICENSE Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. He spent a year with the Mets and his final two years with the Padres. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Rusty played another decade. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. October 19, 2011 Peter As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Feat Fan Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. - It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Really? But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Actually, he was eating his way out of baseball, a fact which revealed itself as the 1976 season progressed. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. October 13, 2008 November 3, 2006 October 19, 2011 Michael November 19, 2002 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Al feat fan However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. The Polly Ann Trailway in Oakland County is 14.2 miles from Orion Twp. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. October 18, 2008 December 13, 2007 170 lbs.? Now I have the opportunity not to do what I disliked seeing.''. 216 Mickey Lolich Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images FILTERS CREATIVE EDITORIAL VIDEO All Sports Entertainment News Archival Browse 216 mickey lolich stock photos and images available or start a new search to explore more stock photos and images. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Rusty played another decade. He had terrific stuff. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Ramblin' Pete Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Raymond Malcuit Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. That would make him a star in today's market. Shickhaus Franks The point is he made a bad team worse. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. June 11, 2003 LA-Mets He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. =Chuck= A bronze sign was used to cover up the original limestone etching underneath. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? Joe Figliola May 7, 2013 October 2, 2005 - Now for the trade itself. Rusty played another decade. October 13, 2008 Later inserted into the rotation by manager Bob Scheffing, Mickey earned his first win May 28 in Los Angeles against the Angels, going the distance. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. February 25, 2003 Mike B Raymond Malcuit McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? March 22, 2005 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Ramblin' Pete Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Bob P A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. mets Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. December 20, 2019 170 lbs.? to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Max Power Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. etc. June 11, 2003 He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Poignant. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. 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