My white/cream girl is perfectly healthy. The Dobermann ( / dobrmn /; German pronunciation: [dobman] ), or Doberman Pinscher in the United States and Canada, is a medium-large breed of domestic dog that was originally developed around 1890 by Louis Dobermann, a tax collector from Germany. All I would say is Cleo Beckys got you now and she would not pull. Good breeding is done to maintain the health of the breed as a whole. Im assuming the person who wrote this article never needs sunglasses! Thanks for any info. i think that we should do what is best for the breed . All-black Dobermans are rarely seen but do exist. However, when we look at the longevity of, say, albino rabbits, guinea pigs, pigeons and budgies, we can realistically say that being white in itself is not fatal to a species. While the above persons grammar and spelling IS rather poor, the words being spoken are not stupid, but true. Very nice info on our most favorite dog dobermansss thanks we are the dog lovers from the midddle east. etc. She has a perfect Doberman physique and is unbelievably sweet and kind. I lost my best friend 2 and a half years ago. It does that to almost everybody. Darwins theories of natural selection might suggest that a white tiger would not be able to breed in nature due to its different-ness, however, nature and reality clearly evidence that this genetic variant continues to procreate on our planet. Please, its been said before in this thread you are online use google, educate yourself about this subject!!! Historically known as the dog breed for the tax collectors, Doberman Pinschers have earned the reputation of being the most dangerous dogs in the canine world. what color puppies will a blue female doberman and a black and tan male doberman most likely produce? I then went to several restaurants and asked what could be in their used cooking oil vats prior to pick up to go to the dog food factories. All domesticated animals including all dog breeds are a bit of an abomination or reconstruction of natural selection and I feel that we need to be wary of pontificating or judging the significant efforts of those who believe in breeding white Dobermans. We have done all the testing that any breeder should do. Dogs of both genders neutered or spayed at 6 months or younger had significantly increased odds of developing a behavioral disorder, including separation anxiety, noise phobia, timidity, excitability, submissive urination, aggression, hyperactivity, and/or fear biting. Browse 3,558 doberman pinscher stock photos and images available, or search for miniature doberman pinscher or doberman pinscher puppies to find more great stock photos and pictures. When the very first white Dobermans were discovered due to a mutation, they would breed brother and sister white Dobermans together to make more white Dobermans. Than I think cropped or not doberman ears depending only from owner and his skills to stay cropped ears this process is long. Never hurts to have all the facts. you are forgetting one thing Not looking for a show dog Looking for a companion. There has been NO testing done that would prove or disprove the albino theory. He closes his eyes outside when the sun is out, and he cant see through the slider (actually ran into the closed slider once) . They were called straw color, yellow and dirty. I do agree, I actually own a beautiful WL black german shepherd from east Germany. Dont worry, there isnt any problem with this. Cleo went eeverywhere with me ? Although she is such a beauty and she has no health problems I will not be breeding her. Second major problem and most expensive: woke up one morning and found MoZart wimpering and saw his eyes had changed colors: one was blue, the other a strange greenish color took him to the emergency vet hospital and found he was suffering from a corneal ulceration :-(. Ive had Dobies for over 40 years! Have a great forever home full of love. I NEVER HAD ANY OF MY WHITES FAIL ANY OF THE TESTING OUT THERE.NOT LIKE THE ACCEPTED COLORS!! I am concerned that our rather flawed, poorly evidence-based opinions may rob us of the pleasure of some lovely animals. But health problems or no, like I said he is my baby, I love him sooo much and I wouldnt trade him for the world. To make things even more confusing, you also have a "Dobermann" (spelled with two n's) to add to the mix. The germs cannot ever develop an immunity as they can with antibiotics because of the way it works. With regards to the white albino Dobermanns, Im not sure what the hoo-hah is surrounding them? She was rehomed due to biting a child in the family. Just adopted a red/Rust 20 month old male and would like another Dobbie. She had limitations, but always gave clear signals, what she was comfortable with. Namely you. Deduction is usual $100 $200, and your reimbursement 80% of your bill. Is it normal for them to have blue eyes as an adult? Hes also had three skin cancer spots removed as well one from each lower eyelid, and one from his elbow. Its because of people like you who feel its not worth it to neuter them, therefor they keep reproducing . Its done that to me too. Usually, the average cost of purchasing a pet quality puppy from a reputable breeder is about $1,200 to $2,500. thank you. I live in the UK and was wondering why Ive never seen a blue or fawn dobi. I knew he would be good when he was tussling with his brother and my Buddys 18 month old nephew walked right up to them and biffed them both on the nose and backed them into a corner!! In the meanwhile we have adopted a 7 months old dobie girl. If just to get it away from you and whatever this white thing you have is not visited upon the animal. I think it needs to be said that while whites are beautiful, intelligent, loving and just as wonderful as any other color of dobe, the akc doesnt accept them. Yes i agree dont breed for a color (but i do want a white) but for temperment and health i have seen dobies that are just ill tempered in any color. Some people are better at this than others and some dogs (regardless of breed) are easier to train than others. I am 16 years of age and I am more adult than well over half the people leaving comments here. 4) Pay better attention to grammar, spelling and typing skills. That is a serious offer, and transport too. So if you go by that logic albinos are free since it cant even be showed at competitions. Spayed females had 6.5 times higher incidence of all cancers combined compared to intact females, and neutered males had 3.6 times higher incidence than intact males. I think the people on here telling others that breeding a dog for a look is bad should really stop and think about what theyre saying. Also do research on white tigers, golden tabby tigers, and stripeless, white tigers, as well as Siamese cats and Himalayan rabbits, while youre at it. California is far away. Ear cropping is optional, however I like the appearance of the cut ears, it is illegal to cut the Dobermans ears in some European countries. Both my Black/rust girl, Phoenix and Steele get a fleece lined coat in the Winter. Turns out she has a heart murmur. Doctors say it is very possible that nothing has spread and the treatment really isnt going to add that much time for the cost and has no real guarantee. Writer, have you never seen a Chihuahua? The younger the age at neutering, the earlier the age at diagnosis with mast cell cancer, cancers other than mast cell, hemangiosarcoma, lymphoma, all cancers combined, a behavioral disorder, or fear of storms. We are 68 and 72 and are no longer up to raising a rambunctious pup. You are very fortunate to have been blessed with your Dober-pal. This can lead to aggressive behavior, like fear biting. Some years ago, I met a doberman who was glossy black with bright yellow where you would normally see the rust color. The AKC doesnt decide the requirements for the show ring That would be the breed clubs. No-brainer. I mean, AKC and purebred dogs are already sick and unhealthy as it is. White Dobermans are predisposed to many health issues. As an owner of Dobermans for over 40 years, my opinion is that how you raise, socialize and train a Doberman, or any dog, is so much more important than its color. This breed of dogs originated in Germany where it was distributed all over the world. In the last year I registered him as ESA, that way I never had to deal with apartments telling me they wont renew my lease bc they believe my dog is a Doberman. Three years ago I had the same concern. where is the sense of having love? Howdy. THE WHITES NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH BAD SKIN OR EYESIGHT OR HEARING! The local shelter has several purebred dobies waiting to be adopted right now. I take four tabs and use a mortor and pestle to grind to powder. Today, they are sought after, registered and shown (successfully). She has been the largest and sweetest dobie we have ever owned. Other than that he is in very good health. So Isabella color and the variations- it is totally normal considering this ))))). But I cannot feel anything other than grateful, because I feel as though we have rescued her. I own a white Dobeman Tierra who is now 7 years old. ?Too much puppy for us (as we well knew when we decided on her), but we are all learning to adapt. He got all the best traits of each breed but especially the goofy tendencies Dobies can have. And its interesting that blue Dobermans slightly beat out fawn Dobermans by 2%. I cant take him anywhere without people asking if hes a show dog. Truly man & women best friend. I have to sweep everyday, any help is would be appreciated. Do not purchase a Doberman that is colored white or that has any white relatives in their bloodline. Jordan is a great dog but Cleo will always be that One special dog. Our dobbies are as a people some more healthy, some less. Very few Dobes carry the recessive white, and fewer carry the gene close enough to override and produce. Hence they are not a true Albino. This is where we are today. Im now looking for another Doberman. I am certainly responsible with dogs and have a lot of experience around them, I was raised with them. Ok, Some albino animals do have red or pink eyes because of the lack of pigmentation, what you are seeing the the blood behind their eyes. It is an albino full of health problems and should never be bred. I have down sized to a beagle called Milo bright when it suits him Emma lived for 11. If you dont understand what Im talking about, reasearch the original european bulldogs. I wish people would stop talking trash about them when they have never experienced having one. Shelter dogs and puppy mill dogs are bred by irresponsible assholes and greedy bastards. i have owned dobermans for over 40 yrs and i can remember when this prejudice existed for the isabellas and the blues. @DJ Yes. I had never seen a white Doberman before, so I wanted to look them up. Look in before you look oot an age-old Scottish expression. My white may squint in the sun but so do I! All responsible breeders should have the goal of breeding to better the breed, not just to breed because you like the color! I USE Z FACTOR DOGS IN MY CURRENT LINE AS THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL & EXCELLENT MINDED DOGS! As for good foods there are so many nowadays. White Doberman Punchers have NEVER been proven to be albino, and yes, white dobes can be show dogs in some countries, and, yes, there have been white champions, regardless of temperament. Below you can see the traditional black and tan Doberman color alongside a red Doberman. White tigers are very beautiful creatures as are white lions and both occur and survive naturalistically in nature. You claim to have rescued some dogs from the shelter, let me ask something, didnt it break your heart to see that overcrowding there? No comparison to white Dobermans, which are albinos. The PROPER term is black and RUST and it is sad to see you propagating such MISINFORMATION about the breed!!! They possess some other distinguished personality factors. They have KNOWN health issues far beyond the regular dobe. We are just weening him off the noon meal little bit at a time each day. Keep in mind, we are arguing over a DOG. Not the standard black and rust. It is usual behaviour by breeders when a new mutations occurs. The vet told me the breeders usually put the white puppies to sleep and any animal lover would not do such a thing. My advice is to start with a doberman that has excellent genetics/temperament. Okay , all of a sudden white/partial albino have popped up and Oh My God it must be a new line of dobs? to begin with, all breeders regardless of the creature they breed should start thinking about what they do: the modify little helpless lifes and cause much suffering. I would never say put the white dobermans down, they ARE dogs, but to purposely keep trying to breed white dobies and keep the color going is completely irresponsible. Do you history and know why a doberman was ever created then ask urself will my dog do this.. And even if you think your dog will it probaly wont and if it did dit would probably get harmfully injured.. We also had a Doberman named Cleo who was hands down the most amazing dog. Everyone that meets him, wants him. I started with a potassium tab that you can get at almost any store. This statement is not intended to make you mad. And by the way dogs are not people. Good luck! I also became very bored reading your snarky reply. Amen, Michelle. I have seen black people and babies with rickets (legs bend). When the first white dog occured, they inbreed her strongly. Hey I do not breed dobermans but my neighbor does I have researched the breed to the highest of levels cause I could not understand y she was hoping for a blue or white Well we both share 7 acers and have one fence around the entire property I breed wolf hybrids been doing so since I moved she breeds dobies and her brother breeds pitbulls. Does anyone know of a reputable blue and tan breeder in the UK as I dont believe shipping a puppy from the states is good. Still, breeding is needed for that so the idiot you replied to is, in fact, an idiot. God bless, poor babys been through a lot. Thanks for yr post. Though I imagine Albino and partial albino dobermans popped up all throughout its history. I have a white Dobberman, he is the BEST! It is also far easier to know the temperament and shape such when purchasing a pure pup. I have a male and female black and tan dobermans the female i got frim indiana the male i got from tennessee i just bred them last year and one pup came out white so please explain to me how my white doberman is the product of inbreeding some of you need to realize thats not the only way their made. Dobermans are medium-large sized with a noble appearance and sleek looks, being extremely intelligent and energetic. Great skin and coat, awesome temperment, etc As with any dog, problems are caused by poor breeding. I had two doberman a blue and a fawn they both loved to play with tennis balls. Doberman Pinscher, also called Doberman or Dobe, breed of working dog developed in Apolda, Germany, by Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann, a tax collector, night watchman, dogcatcher, and keeper of a dog pound, about 1890. In Sep 2018 we adopted Katie. For centuries man has made MANY, MANY dog breeds, and so what if they were interbred? The issue with white Dobermans is that all white Dobermans are severely inbred. Its all about the buck and nothing to do with bettering the breed as a whole. We have recently lost our Dobie. She is smart and is trained well with a good disposition. Cubo Magico 10x10, Moyu Meilong 2x2 3x3 4x4 *5 *5 6x6 7x7 8x8 9x9 10x10 11x11 12x12 Cubo Megaminx Cubos Mgicos Velocidad Puzzle Cubos Juguetes Cubo -Magico, LiangCuber Moyu Meilong Cubo de velocidad de 10 x 10 pulgadas, sin etiquetas, cubo mgico de 10 x 10 x 10 pulgadas If you want direct you ire at anyone, dont take aim at responsible breeders and owners who love and care for their animals. I so totally agree with you. Especially when they may need more medical care. I have to disagree about additional health problems with the white/cream. Mom kept telling her she didnt like her. Shes beautiful, smart, and a very interesting colour. What does it matter what colour a dog is. None of these 4 dogs, nor the other dozen or so that I briefly met, suffered from Von Willebrands, Wobbles or any other disease, for that matter. If an animal lacks pigment in one part of his body (like fur) and not in another (like eyes) its attributed to another genetic abnormality. So that inbreeding excuse everyone makes as a scare tactic really doesnt fly if you do your research . Tammy Cuthbert. If you have ever seen a picture of Shebah you will see she was not totally white. Furthermore, whilst I dont as of yet own one I think I shall purchase one just to chagrin the louts that scream so loudly about topics such as this, illegal immigrants taking their jobs, and globak warming being an utter farce. My pup is a normal 6 month old Dobe, she visits her fawn sis all the time and is happy and healthy. However, when we look at the longevity of, say, albino rabbits, guinea pigs, pigeons and budgies, we can realistically say that being white in itself is not fatal to a species. An animal can have albino skin & hair, but still have normal eye color; this is called partial albinism. My daughters female black and brown, and male black and brown got together cause one of the children let them make outside when the female was outside. There are just to many reports of health risks, and all just so you can have one in a white color. NO DOG should be put outside like lawn furniture, but a Dobeman willl make your life hell if you think you can do that. Yeah, I dont take her out in the middle of the day( we live in Florida) but I dont go out in the middle of the day either! Not every one can own a Doberman , as we know dogs run in packs and there is always a leader of the pack , so you have to be the leader of your pack. could anyone tell me their experience if possible with Z factor of puppies? Albinism is a congenital disorder characterized by the complete or partial absence of pigment in the skin, hair and eyes due to absence or defect of an enzyme involved in the production of melanin. And that is across all colours. Ive come into contact with a white before and I fell in love but I dont really know where to look. Some people want purebred dogs from a RELIABLE source. Before you judge white dobermans I would recommend talking to people that have them. Responsible pet owners do what is best for loved pet. The blue Doberman is a dilute of black. And it should have the opportunity to be registered with the AKC. Thanks for sharing your story about your sweet girl. I do have a serious issue with destroying White Doberman pups at birth. America could be the same way if we stop putting the so called rights of animal abusers above the health and safety of animals. My red/rust has a bladder issue and is on daily Proin. He lived to be 16 years old. You are a real jerk. I currently have two dogs: a purebred red nose pitbull male and a chocolate brindle female pit lab mix. I have known many White Dober-girls/boys, through Brigette. So sad. Please do not spay or neuter your pets. Get off your high horse hippe! So glad you came along. The breeder asked had I ever heard of RMS, nope I said, she said what you explained is Red Male Syndromeshe said many poopoo the term, but she said of all the Dobe breeding theyd done over three or four decades they noticed their Red Males were pretty easy going, a little goofy, not as territorial as most bitches, but when the rubber met the road they would step up and protect. ok, not all white dobes are unhelthy. Ive owned nothing but dobermans for 30 years and I have owned and rescused every color, including the z factor whites. Also dont give them free rein of the house, maybe just the kitchen or a bedroom, just in case they get into trouble if bored, (use a baby gate). The Albino doberman is NOT a WHITE doberman. You'd never know it's there untill you get a dog that is carrying two copies of it, and it is expressed as a longer than normal coat. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to feed her? He loves the nieghborhood kids and all of the visitors that come into the house but he is always on guard when strangers come around. Both benign. They have no body weight to bring down a fighting man, nor do they have the rihht tempermant and courage to do so . The genetic mutation that occurs to create the white coat is not the same of that that occurs in albino dogs. She had light brown pigment to her hair, Light pigment to her skin and blue eyes. He has been checked over by a vet several times and has no vision or health problems. And she has bright pink skin that burns easily. Hes taking Duke to the local animal shelter tomorrow and Im super sad to see that happen So Ill be going down to meet him (Duke) on Thursday Poor Duke has always been an outside dog, no training, not housebroken and the list goes on And intact on top of all that! Against all wisdom we have a puppy at hand. RE: SARAH- please you are uninformed. Killing white pups at birth doesnt remove the z factor from the line, which is clearly evident. Whites have been insecure about this fact and rewrote history to try and make white skin more attractive when it is in fact inferior and a genetic mutation. They were gorgeous animals will massive abilities and they have been evolved into the short, squat English bulldogs we know today only because of the breeding. Even so, its felt that these dogs are not inferior to the reds or blacks if good breeding is present. We have tried adopting from rescues, which did not work, as they have issues due to abuse. i think whitedobielover has the most sense of anyone on here. 23+ Doberman Haversham Dog Hi animal lovers, I see you are looking for 23+ Doberman Haversham Dog. If you ever get a chance to see a German Bred Doberman, be sure to take a lot of photos and video, then compare it to any Dobe bred in the United States. st paschal baylon school calendar. It is a fault, there are only four allowed colors. Feel free to join my group Doberman ReHome and Rescues. I have to say that in some parts of its body theres lack of hair and I want to know if theres something to make it grow again. Our Emma and Bella were each 1 year old rescues within the family because of first health problems and later job transfer of the original owner. He is a great dog and slowly filling DINOs paw prints. I was considering getting a Doberman as a second large breed. If at some point the color can come about without promoting bad health and temperament, then thats great. Dobies do demand your attention and companionship, but you cant find a more loyal dog anywhere. Doberman Pinschers have a higher energy level than other dog breeds. The need is a very specific one in which the temperament of these two types of dog have also caught my attention. 55+ Havanese Dog Breeds Doberman Haversham - l2sanpiero 55+ Havanese Dog Breeds Doberman Haversham Hi animal lovers, I see you are looking for 55+ Havanese Dog Breeds Doberman Haversham. i currently own 3 whites (spayed/neutered) and couldnt be more pleased. Well I am the Proud owner and friend of one black and rust, one blue and rust, one red and rust, and two isabella (fawn) and rust Dobermans. This is the most popular and most often seen hair color. Perhaps through pain or just lifes experiences have instilled, branded them deeply into your heart and spirit. Hes Regal. My vet at the time gave me something to bath Blue in. do i believe a doberman with an expected life span of 10 years that is prone to hypothyroidism, heart murmur, bloat and god knows what else and that has had ears and tail-chopped off is better up than a white doberman? You stand a greater chance of getting a black and rust, from a careless breeder, that carries the dreaded Von Willebrands, Wobbles, etc.. than getting a White Doberman from a Careful, Conscientious Breeder, such as RainbowHausDobermans. I dont care what harsh bio-cultural forces shaped you, but I dont like you ya F_____g jerk. We have watched him self monitor in the sun and while he has skin tags, not one of them has been anything serious or detrimental to him. Comic . In fact, we were there yesterday as I purchased another Doberman. MONEY. Shelter dogs are not for everyone. He loves everyone, and everyone who meets him falls in love. Just an update Duchess turned 1 on October 1st and has exceeded good health. The fawn Doberman, (sometimes called Isabella color or cinnamon) is a diluted red. We dearly loved all of our girls, their different temperaments and personalities. If you come across a White Dobie, dont hesitate to give him/her a forever home. Of course, as is the case with ANY short haired whit dog, there are limitatipns to sun exposure, much the same as with fair-haired humans-They both sunburn easily. I was not aware of the health problems white dobermans have and if i had I may not have gotten him. At age 10 Emma had a severe stroke. Hi Compared to intact dogs, neutered and spayed dogs had a 3.5 times higher risk of developing mast cell cancer, regardless of what age they were neutered. This is so good to hear. It should help you out. This is a fallacy. You obviously are quite the Bible Scholar, huh? The difference is obvious at first glance, but on careful study, you will see how much of the original Doberman Pinscher has been deleted from its current U.S. counterparts. Ppl who breed these animals are only concerned about earning $$ and not the animals. Would like to tell you my story. I've seen pictures of other coated Dobes, but none had tht much hair. We now have a 1 yr old Red female Jordan and we will soon be getting a female red puppy Reagan. Has anyone experienced the skin issues? (Think back on your Punit Square from Biology class) Thats you. We post dogs in the usa and canada. Personally I work long shifts and what works for me is that I have two dobes to keep each other company. The population of white tigers is also too small and probably somewhat inbred to realistically test this theory. No one has less affection for a white doberman, theyre just pointing out serious genetic and personality issues that are likely when they are white. Several different types available. Choose what works for YOU. I have a male isabella named Apollo and a femal black and tan named annie we are expecting puppies any day now!! If inbreeding or line breeding is used in any breed of animal to create an albino animal, there is a good chance that the animal will have health problems because of harmful recessive traits that crop up with the subsequent lack of genetic diversity. Probably not the answer you wanted, but I know DVMs who will not breed once a year if they cannot come as close as possible to not reproducing these health issues to further weaken the breed. What are the health risks for a red pup from a red dad and albino mother? The female is, and I love this dog so do not think I am biased, very stupid. I want all the colors i may breed i may not breed, but as with any thing line breeding can cause problems. And the coats and health on all my Cream/white Dobermans have been excellent. I am a dark skinned person i hve stomach problems, light sensitivity, and sometimes i dont behave like i should.should i be assisted with death because of it? 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